unwanted trill
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I am late to this party. I stumbled on a website (cipoo.net) that has lots of midi downloads, so Finale picks them up instantly and perfectly. But some of them have hidden articulations, and maybe hidden dynamics. Is there a way to unhide these objects so as to get control, short of the above or other surgical method? Right now, I am working on "O occhi, manza mia", by Orlando di Lasso:
http://www.cipoo.net/music_t.html
if you want to experiment. m29-30 seem to have a rall and fermata -- maybe just a rall -- and then m31 is back as a-tempo.
An easier variant surgical method that worked just now, 1st try, is to ctrl-C copy the entire piece, then delete all but m1 -- that is, delete the measures, not just their contents -- then paste it all back from m1, so Finale grows new measures. That might fail, if a piece has m1 already infected. It seems like some midi files have -- I hate to say it -- a virus.
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It's a midi problem, and fixable with Midi Tool > Apply Human Playback > Clear items (Tempo changes)
Another piece presents a new problem -- Playback tempo changes are ignored. I haven't figured this one out yet. Question, though: if the imported midi data includes various data such as fermata and base tempo, why doesn't Finale register it? Or maybe it does and this is an anomaly?
http://www.cipoo.net/music_t.html
if you want to experiment. m29-30 seem to have a rall and fermata -- maybe just a rall -- and then m31 is back as a-tempo.
An easier variant surgical method that worked just now, 1st try, is to ctrl-C copy the entire piece, then delete all but m1 -- that is, delete the measures, not just their contents -- then paste it all back from m1, so Finale grows new measures. That might fail, if a piece has m1 already infected. It seems like some midi files have -- I hate to say it -- a virus.
edit:
It's a midi problem, and fixable with Midi Tool > Apply Human Playback > Clear items (Tempo changes)
Another piece presents a new problem -- Playback tempo changes are ignored. I haven't figured this one out yet. Question, though: if the imported midi data includes various data such as fermata and base tempo, why doesn't Finale register it? Or maybe it does and this is an anomaly?
Last edited by montedoro44 on Sun May 17, 2020 8:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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montedoro44,montedoro44 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 7:04 pm… I stumbled on a website (cipoo.net) that has lots of midi downloads, so Finale picks them up instantly and perfectly. But some of them have hidden articulations, and maybe hidden dynamics. Is there a way to unhide these objects so as to get control, short of the above or other surgical method? …
You have posted in the PrintMusic forum.
Are you using PrintMusic?
(- or are you using the “full Finale”?)
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Sorry -- I just edited/added to my last message, not noticing you replied. I have full 26.2 Finale. uh oh -- am I in the wrong forum?
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Strictly speaking you have posted in the wrong forum.montedoro44 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 8:41 pm… I have full 26.2 Finale. uh oh -- am I in the wrong forum? …
But:
As long as you tell, what program you are using, it does not matter.
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Three things control the tempo in Finale:montedoro44 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 7:04 pm… Another piece presents a new problem -- Playback tempo changes are ignored. I haven't figured this one out yet. Question, though: if the imported midi data includes various data such as fermata and base tempo, why doesn't Finale register it? Or maybe it does and this is an anomaly?
MIDI Tool (= the recorded tempo changes)
Expression Tool (= the expression tempo changes)
Playback Controls
And they work in a hierarchical fashion.
The tempo in the Playback Controls is overridden by an Expression that sets a tempo.
This is overridden by the MIDI Tool, which is at the top of the “Tempo Hierarchy”.
You tell that “Playback tempo changes are ignored”.
I suppose that you are talking about tempo in the Playback Controls (= at the bottom of the “Tempo Hierarchy”), right?
Try this:
Selection Tool.
Select All.
Edit menu > Clear Selected Items…
In the window Clear Selected Items, de-select everything except MIDI Data Tempo Changes.
If clearing MIDI Data Tempo Changes does not solve the problem, then the culprit must be one or more expressions (with playback effect Tempo).
Try clearing those.
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Thousand thanks, Peter! That works. In the meantime, I re-downloaded the tempo-unchangeable piece, but this time took serious notice of the Import Midi File Options -- zapping Tempo changes there cures not only the changes, but the initial tempo setting. And now, per your message, I see the same in Edit Selected, so I can get control post-download. I guess you could say that not knowing what the culprit was, I didn't know where to find the fix -- I looked for hidden articulations. A larger lesson here. Good learning day, thanks again!